For better or worse, the hot topic of conversation following what was billed as the biggest fight in Ultimate Fighting Championship history -- the mega-fight between welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre and lightweight champion B.J. Penn -- has been the use of Vaseline by St. Pierre's cornermen.Most of the parties involved have commented in one form or another, and the Penn camp is now determining their pursuit of the allegations against St. Pierre. On Tuesday, in his official blog, former UFC welterweight champion Matt Hughes, who has fought St. Pierre three times, weighed in on some of the UFC 94 bouts, but was most poignant in his comments about St. Pierre feeling greasy when they fought:
"I was also surprised by the final match, I thought B.J. would have put on a better performance. B.J. Penn is coming from a lighter weight class, but he took the fight at 170. That's the bottom line. I knew it was going to come down to who had the better cardio and even at the end of the first round B.J. looked tired.
Now, on to what everybody is talking about, the greasing. I'm not the only one who has said that GSP felt greasy during a fight. I know Matt Serra has mentioned it and, even in their first fight, I think B.J. said something. I'm not saying GSP did something wrong and I'm not saying that it would have changed any outcomes of any fights; but what I am saying is, for my last two fights against Georges, he felt greasy."
Courtesy of Matt-Hughes.com.
76 comments:
He greased to cancel out Matt's layer of body fur.
HAHA wow, can matt hughes be anymore bitter, seems like every chance he gets, he tries to throw a subliminal jab at gsp.. GET OVER IT HUGHES! you suck, your past your prime and quite frankly no one care about watching you fight anymore, you were a world champion in an INFERIOR day of MMA, you CANNOT hang with todays fighters even yhough your only 34 yrs. old. WHy dont you go out with some dignity, lol, you probally feel that slipping away too. GO MATT SERRA!!
Of course....GSP wasn't greasy when Matt beat him in the first fight! Only the two where GSP knocked him out, then dominated him and arm barred his ass!
I didn't see this one coming at all!
Either BJ Penn, Jason Miller, Sean Sherk, Matt Serra and Matt Hughes are all expressing sour grapes or GSP has some ritual to getting away with greasing. Either way it needs to stop.
I know everyone loves to discredit people as bitter but thats a lot of smoke, hopefully there is no actual fire. Doesnt help that they got illegal vasseline use on tape. People who get accused of cheating dont admit to it, they lie and make up reasonable explainations to try and create doubt. Hopefully this is the end of this, because GSP gets these allegations after everyone he fights now.
How can someone claim that being greasy will change the outcome of any fight..this is the most stupid, bitter allegation i have ever heard..if its true that Nurse was putting vaseline on Gsp, then the commission should decide on how to punish Nurse..not SGSP..GSP fought his ass off and had an impressive, unquestionable victory..Serra, HUGHES and PENN, get over it..
I am so sick of this already. Everybody that got beat by him is now coming with this. Man, I was a huge Matt Hughes fan but this is too much.
soo true...maybe its time Matt Hughes stops with his whining n B/S, and start getting back in his winning ways...how ironic that GSP was greasy the two times Hughes lost...and since when the hell did Matt Serras opinion even matter to Hughes...maybe its time Hughes gets over his extremely large ego...we all know what he has done for this sport and there is no question he is one of the best of all time, however, its time he gives credit to the new breed of fighters in the division and stop whining....it kind of sounds pathetic...also, the fighters that are complaining should go back, watch the tape of the fights, they didnt even stand a chance...(im not saying the vaseline was the right thing to do...i just dont think its intentional,)
I was going for Penn in this fight and i believe he lost fair and square. If Nurse did illegaly grease GSP up, he should have his license revoked but GSP did nothin but fight his ass off. These are the things that MMA critics bank on. It just makes our sport look bad and Hughes just made it that much worse. It brings the same bad publicity to MMA as the whole Kimbo Slice drama brought. Its all bullshit!!!
how about we have a race up a pole, yours can be covered with grease and mine wont be covered with grease, who wins.....not you.....I am not saying that what is being said is true but if it is, its a huge advantage plain and simple.
gsp+exxon=total domination.
GSP is one slippery fish!
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Its bullshit...if Penns corner knew about gsp being greasy then why didn't they bring it up during the match. How come they waited until the event was over? OH i know, because they used this as a back up plan incase penn lost...they planned it all out. The others are siding with penn cause they all don't like gsp, and he's canadian, there's some bitter athletes in the ufc, nobody likes someone on a winning streak and more so when its somoene you've lost to.
Second, if the commissioner that seen it, allowed the match to continue then its his fault...he didn't do his job properly. It was his job to make sure that if a rule was being broken that it was handled imediately...it seems everyone is bitching after the fact gsp won the fight.
Kind of funny they refer to the matches they lost against gsp but not the one's the won (hughes and serra). Penns corner is to blame, they cried wolf after gsp won...its like being at a crime scene and withholding evidence, they knew about it during the match and didn't say anything, then decided to make a big deal out of it after penn was destroyed 4 rounds, why is that!!?? Even if gsp was greased from head to toe, point the fingers at Penns corner for being so incompetent and a bunch of ingrates who decided to use this tactic to convince the public on reasons why gsp won...that is sad. Penn and his corner should be banned for trying to ruin a great fighters career. Lets talk about figthers using roids, if sherk indeed used them, and what if Thiago Alves is using them, these fighters should be tested...wow vasaline is the biggest thing since sliced bread in the ufc, but the ones breaking serious rules, like using roids or other drugs is like a slap on the wrist...its a sad to see this in the ufc.
Wow way to show some class (comment above me). Anyway, it doesn't surprise me that Hughes is now saying this. Everyone knows he hates GSP, I dont even think he respects him. Hughes is like Mischa Barton from the OC, she pays ppl the paparazzi to take pics of her so that nobody forgets about her. This Hughes way since he sucks balls now and no one cares to watch him anymore since he always gets his ass handed to him. Everyones too good. He's only 34, no excuses.
Serra, TKO first round, and I could give 2 shits about Serra.
Alvez has been busted for steriods before and was suspended from fighting for a while. Cant remember the details but he was.
Actually, Alves was caught using a diuretic to cut weight. Not steroids.
I hope GSP beats Alves as well. The guy comes out wearing layers of clothes with a poofy coat, and thick boots to try and make him look huge....when the guy is just as tall as GSP, maybe abit thicker muscle wise. I said people like sherk, alves should be tested for roids, not that there on roids...alves has been tested postive in taking an illegal substance to cut weight. It wasn't steroids, but the fact is its cheating, and wrong, and i think before Dana even gives him a fight, he should be tested prior, if he fails then loses his chance at fighting gsp.
Other mma fighters have speculated that he has taken roids, but i don't think he's been tested postive for anything like that, just the substance to cut weight.
Plain and simple all these guys that have lost to GSP are bitter. Why is everyone being such a crybaby about? Is it because he's not American and americans actually believe that there should only be American champions.
As huge as Alves looked in the Hughes fight it wouldnt surprise me if he was on something. And what is really funny is that nobody seems to realize there are substances you can take that they either cant test for or dont show up so the whole testing thing is kind of a joke.
WOW what a bunch of little girls. you St. Pierre nuthuggers are pathetic.. go get a life, you all think you kno everything about these guys that you will never meet. and by the way, the KIDS in here accussing alves of steroid are JUST as bad as hughes.. your doing EXACTLY what he is.. except you have no basis for other than your probally scared your homie youve never met will lose..SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many excuses out there these days.. just watch the fuckin fights and shut up!
I didnt read any article saying the Penn corner was aware of the vaseline prior to the end of the fight. If they didnt then it would make sense that it is now a situation. GSP fought great and Penn didnt but regardless of what it looked like you cant say that vaseline wouldnt have an impact on the outcome. In MMA you can take knocks all rounds only to win on your back by submission. That being said Bj took knocks and GSP won but vaseline could have taken a part out of anyones game plan.
Up until now we havent heard from BJ so lets see if he feels he was beat by hits or vaseline.
I didnt read any article saying the Penn corner was aware of the vaseline prior to the end of the fight. If they didnt then it would make sense that it is now a situation. GSP fought great and Penn didnt but regardless of what it looked like you cant say that vaseline wouldnt have an impact on the outcome. In MMA you can take knocks all rounds only to win on your back by submission. That being said Bj took knocks and GSP won but vaseline could have taken a part out of anyones game plan.
Up until now we havent heard from BJ so lets see if he feels he was beat by hits or vaseline.
How can you lose a fight, then go back and look at the video and say "oh theres a small amount of grease on gsp's back, thats why my legs kept on slipping off"...that makes no sense.
If it was such a problem, they would've said something during the match...if they decided not to, then its there fault, and have no-one to blame but themselves.
Plus how can then even say that was the factor from watching a replay, when your physically in the match your gonna notice grease, not after when you've lost and look at recaps on a video...talk about crediblity on there part, poor losers, i've never been impressed with bj penn anyways, and hope he leaves ufc for good, guy reminds me of a hawian joe pesci, lol.
Im not a big Bj Penn fan or anything but I will give him his due credit. In his weight class he is a great fighter with great skills. I guess lucky for BJ someone like anonymous could never take away his accomplishments nor match them.
There are so many things going on during a match your not thinking of how the other person is or isnt cheating. The corners aren't watching other corners they watch and care for their fighter. There isnt enough time in between rounds to search for whats going wrong and the possibility of things like vaseline it would be hard to figure out during a round or in between one. In between rounds your just getting instruction, hydration and pressure on bumps your mind is only focused on the matter at hand (fight). During a match you cant even hear the crowd all you can think of is trying to figure your opponents next move and your counter and visa versa.
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Right...you can tell your legs were slipping from someones back from watching a tape, but not noticing when your in the match...wow people are brain dead. Since bj had to go to the hosptial, was practically disoriented, his brother was like do you know where you are, do you know who you are, lol...
So, i'll just video tape myself pissing on your face, then after wards you can tell me you never noticed until after reviewing the tape...
Penns a fuckin loser as well as his corner. If i was trying to wrap my legs around someone and they kept slipping off which was out of the ordinary, don't you think he would've went to his corner or the ref and said i think gsp has vasaline on his back....why wait till the end when the fight was over, this part is not credible at all.
You don't have to be intelligent to be able to say "wow my legs keep slipping and i can't seem to figure out why", then put 2 and 2 togther, since they complained when the fight was over its there fault, you snooze you lose.
Anonymous you ever been in a ring? Or break a sweat for that matter as someone pounded on you? I bet if I knocked you around for a couple minutes and asked you how many lefts hit you in the jaw vs rights to the ear you couldnt tell me.
Seems to me your a fan from the seats or from a couch. So I think we'll just leave you to your little world of limited knowledge. You should sit in your corner cause you've been a bad little boy. Go log into your favorite porn site and beat off some of that foul language. I assure you , you have no idea of what your talking about.
Anonymous all you've shown is you watch PPV. Maybe you read a little too but man your waste of time.
Ever been to a match? Or come on with your mouth you must have put it on the mat at least once... No? yeah i didnt think so.
Good night Anonymous.
To Jon,
You'd never be able to hit me, the only counting you'd see is 3 counts. Me hitting you, you hitting the floor, and the ambulance hitting 90mph to rush you to the hospital.
Second, if i was trying to submit you and my legs kept slipping, even an amateur fighter, or even a highschool wrestler would be able to tell during a match if someone had something slippery or greasy on there body...its common sense, it doesn't take a genius, you make it sound like humans are ridiculously stupid. Kind of wierd how i can drive a car with a manual transmission, driving in the city, while paying attention to traffic, and doing all this at the same time...the Penn side used this as a way to make an excuse, they knew about it during the match and didn't say anything until after, bj wouldn't of submitted gsp anyways, and bj's stand up was getting dominated by gsp so vasaline wouldn't of helped there either.
Plus if bj's guard kept on slipping, and he didn't bring it up to anyone. Then is bj really the dumb ass, because if his guard is suppose to be nice and tight and it kept on slipping off...i'm sure he would've been like "what the heck, this isn't normal"....he then would've went back to his corner and said somethings up with gsp.
I'd like to give bj the benefit of the doubt he's not stupid and that's he's fairly intelligent when it comes to mma, so to say bj didn't notice it or couldn't come up with a conclusion as to why his legs were slipping, just makes bj look stupid..
I could put a small amount of vasaline on my arm, wrestle with some guy and know right away when my my hand keeps slipping from the guys arm that theres a slippery/grease type of substance that prevents me from gripping his arm....its common sense. You can have a million things going, but you can still physically feel when things don't seem normal. Penn is a sore loser, by the way i guess bj is fast, so fast he must of hit gsp 10x faster, cause i'm pretty sure round 4 bj was pretty much out of it, lol.
Anonymous you neither have the heart or balls to step into the ring and I wouldn't hit a child anyway. Theres a no competition clause I live by "I don't beat the weak and stupid".
Why arent you in bed Im sure its past your bedtime.
nigh nigh
I wouldn't and didn't argue that BJ got a beating because he did. Im not even saying that vaseline was an issue BUT it is against the rules. GSP didnt need to cheat to win BUT unless you have gone three rounds you really should stop with the "if i" comments cause you never have.
The amt of sweat that is coming off two grounded fighters mixed with blood mixed with the impacts and the inability to breath well having another man your weight or heavier on top of you trust me little one you wouldnt be able to tell if I pisesed down your throat as I broke your arm backwards just so I could slap some sense into you with it.
BTW I'm a GSP supporter and MMA supporter but I dont condone rules being broken even to my benefit.
Another thing who brought up the vaseline? It wasn't the Penn camp. In the begining, during and after the fight the Penn camp didnt say a word. The Penn camp didnt make that an excuse nor did they make make mention of it. It was brought to there attention and then the camp made it an issue after the fight. Still there hasnt been a formal complaint made as far as I know by the Penn camp. So before you bash him or his camp and try to dog him wait until it all comes out in the wash. I bet you will see that BJ will give GSP his due credit because fighters respect eachother in and out of the ring.
The rest and what you see on tv is almost all hype.
This is a quote from the NSAC executive Director "I found out this morning -- I talked with another inspector of mine -- he said that apparently B.J. Penn had complained to the inspector in his corner after either the first or second round that he though maybe Georges was a little slippery. I found that out this morning. At the same time he was complaining we were actually handling the situation in Georges' corner. It's just unfortunate."
and before I go here's a quote from Bj's camp and family member:
"We will be filing a formal complaint on Monday against the NSAC and GSP's cornerman." "We are not trying to make excuses, GSP was the better fighter that night, and we just wish his cornerman didn't cheat by rubbing Vaseline on his back." "Everyone is putting a lot of time and money in too making this sport legit, for someone to do this only hurts the credibility of the sport."
So there you have it guys, no excuses coming out of BJ's camp. George did a great job last night. No one is trying to take that away from him. There are more underlying issues here in regards to the overall protocol displayed when dealing with rule violations of this nature and that is the issue JD and the rest of Team Penn hope to get resolved for the betterment of the sport.
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How can someone claim that being greasy will change the outcome of any fight..this is the most stupid, bitter allegation i have ever heard..if its true that Nurse was putting vaseline on Gsp, then the commission should decide on how to punish Nurse..not SGSP..GSP fought his ass off and had an impressive, unquestionable victory..Serra, HUGHES and PENN, get over it..
are you serious????? have you ever rolled before???? if you can't get a good hold of someone you can't do anything. bj penn loves his rubber guard and if his leg won't stay over gsp's shoulder and he just slips out and punches him...that seems like changing an outcome of a fight to me tard
I checked out that link...
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Nothing what Nurse is doing is illegal in that gif clip. First off when he barely and quicly tabs his right hand onto his left hand to get some vasaline.
He puts it on his face, chin, neck, look how long and how much he spread it, by this time it would all be off his hands.
Then he puts some on gsp's trapezius musscles. (those are the muscles between his shoulders/neck), he doesn't "rub" gsp's back in that clip, he slides his hands down to gsp's chest. He didn't rub around the trapezius area like he did to gsp's face.
So this clip did not show anything illegal, if he was rubbing his back i expect to see his hands around gsp's mid area and going up and down...the back is not the same as trapezius msucles.
Second, can all the little pricks who can't have a civilized conversation stop calling people out, making mother/father comments, ect. People are allowd to voice there opinions, but if you post something that has nothing to do with topic, then i don't blame the mods for deleting your posts (BTW you know who you are, who keeps getting there posts deleted, LOL). Its really so childish, Any person that flaps there lips are just cowards, hiding behind a computer screen. There's always a better man out there, just because i like gsp doesn't mean he won't lose. Its like Roy Jones Jr, he'll always be considered one of the best pound for pound boxers, all the great fighters lose, and we remember them for there achievements and there wins, not so much there losses or hard times.
Nobody is on here to cause beef, i'd really hope if anyone replies directly to my post, that the bashing just stops.
I think GSP needs to add Vaseline as one of his sponsers, be in some commercials, putting it on a hot chick or something, have fun with all of this, I do think he does grease, but oh well, he gets away with it, fighters might as well prepare for it while training for him, Thiago might want to add mud wrestling as part of his training!
my point about Nurse, is he barely barely dabs his right hand onto his left to get some vasaline.
He rubs most of it all over gsp's face, chin, neck area, he spent more time doing that, which would've used up all of the vasaline he had.
I've watched the clip tons of times now, and enlarged it to zoom in. There's no globs on gsp's face even when Nurse spends more time doing that area. The layer of vasaline is so thin, its pretty much invisible. Point being trapezius muscles aren't the back, and he doesn't put his hands behind them, he slides his fingers/hands from the front of them and slides down to his chest....nothing in that clip shows illegal action. I would say i'm 100% confident in what i just wrote, i blew this .gif file up and split it sequential clips so i could analyze it more thoroughly, and i can confidently say that gsp is not the only figther to have vasaline put on there face in chest in match.
The other fighters are jumping on the band wagon, and making it sound worse, there pretty much gaining up on gsp. Some could say its cause there jealous, or bitter, or maybe cause he's canadian, no matter what the reason is, it sucks. Could you imagine how gsp must feel, and guys/girls lets say if it happened and it was truly an accident, its no his corner that is affected, gsp will always have a tarnished career now or people will question this match, like they did in there first one...this is why i feel real sorry for gsp, how sad is that when you work for an organization where you feel like no-one wants you there, or likes you. Hopefully they resolve this, and who knows maybe Penn will step up and publically announce to the fans to not bash gsp and that he was the better fighter...if Penn did this, it would make him look like a good guy in the end, rather that gsp or non Penn fans bashing him, it can work out if Penn sorta defends gsp, so that the problem can be done with.
There was NO glob or globs of vasaline when Nurse did gsp's face, chin, neck. Then does the front, not the back but front of the tapezius muscles and slide down to gsp's chest. The amount he dabbed onto his right hand, was so small, it was practically invisible when i enhanced that .gif file.
Yes, Nurse would sill have greasy hands, but thats unavoidable. Its like when you oil a frying pan up, if you dump the oil out, and wipe down the frying pan, theres an invisible film that keeps it slippery or greasey...which won't go away until you use dish soap and wash the pan properly. Nurse would have to do that, but his hands in that gif file did not go near gsp's back, ribs, or anywhere near that area.
just rewatched the last matt hughes vs. st. pierre.
I noticed that in that fight and the one last weekend against Penn, how come nevada did not appoint actual cut & stitch men to apply the vasoline to the fighter? Penn had "Stitch" Duran, GSP had noone and someone has to put vasoline on his face,
Matt Hughes you are a real bitter loser! Watch the fight again! GSP's corner Nurse & Jackson are their talking to GSP at the end of round 1 and nurse is doing his witch doctor shit and then jackson applies vasoline to gsp's face right before the end of the break inbetween rounds and i do not see him touch gsp anywhere else!!
You guys are sad sad losers and isn't every fighter supposed to have a cut man in their corner who is not part of the fighters team??
PENN Got owned and is now looking for excuses after the worst performance of his life!! Which has also caused Hughes to start looking for excuses!
BJ is outspoken and very outgoing, he proved that to us on UFC primetime and during the fight yelling about his shorts getting tugged! If GSP was really greasy during the fight and this is not an after the fight excuse from Penn and his corner, PENN would have said something Plain and Simple and refused to fight until GSP was wipped down, which he was after the second and contuning rounds by a commissioner in his corner in red!
You people complaining about how Hughes is saying that he only felt greasy in the second and third fights are idiots. The first fight ended in the first round, GSP has been "greasing" in between rounds.
How could he be greasing all this time, if this technique by the wtich doctor to motivate gsp and move energy around, was something new that they started doing with gsp.
If gsp had been greasing from the start, then it would've been an issue long ago. Not only that if gsp was so greasy, and now all the fighters are commenting as if it had a huge impact on there fights with gsp, then why didn't they bring it up durign the fight.
Like seriously guys, give the fighters the benefit of the doubt that they are not dumb as nails. If i'm really good at guards, or grappling, and my grip keeps slipping, i would know right away something is up and even if i was not 100% sure, i would still make the ref inspect the other opponent.
The problem is now all those fighters are coming together, its not the point that gsp may have greased before...to bring up something about it now just to participate in tarnishing another fighters career really sucks. I mean is there any ufc fighter that has even stood up to defend gsp, at least someone that has fought him that can say he never felt greasy...i figured hughs might have, guess i was wrong, or maybe fitch...seems the ones that lost to gsp had no reason to even comment on the issue, especially if it was such a big deal then they should've used common sense to bring it up when and if it was happening then.
The other issue is what if this wasn't happening before, so now the fans get to stereotype gsp's previous wins based on this vasaline issue.
Wow!!! seems like Matt Hughes needs some more attention (please quit Matt. Your time has passed) and/or hits on his website. It's funny how all these people come out after this controversy. Why didn't Hughes come out after the second fight with GSP? Now he's on Matt Serra's side? He says Serra felt GSP felt greasy even after the 1st fight. I'm a GSP fan, but Serra got rid of GSP so quickly during the 1st fight that he never had body to body contact with GSP. The truth is, GSP was wiped down by a member of the comission after the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds. BJ just needs to quit talking crap. The fact is that he talked so much crap that he's now looking for every excuse. The truth is that didn't even deserve to Fight GSP the second time. Remember he lost his last welterweight fight to Hughes. Then he beat up lesser comp and lightweight. But he knows WW and LHW are the glory positions in MMA and needs the spotlight. He needs to take his losses as learning experiences (like GSP) instead of making excuses. That goes for Hughes too.
I would have had so much respect for BJ if he would have just admitted he got his butted kicked.
I don't really think he trained as hard as he says. Look at this "GSP will tap" video on Sherdog.com
Matt, rewatch your fights since you probably can't remember them very well. I'm sure the grease on GSP's shin helped him KTFO you. I'm sure the grease on his body also helped him submit your *ss.
Don't go away from MMA as a sore loser. Just go away.
Greasy worm!!! Its crap!! The fact that he cuts close to 30lbs to fight at 170 should be the topic of discussion. He's not more skilled than his opponents he's just always bigger. LOSER! Go to 185 Georges. Get some wins there then come talk to me about p4p best. GSP is a 9th dan black belt in wieght cutting!!!
GSP has a hose bib on the back of his neck! Right before wiegh in they jsut open it up and watch him go from 190 to 170 in a jiff!!! GO CANADA!!!
I love how Matt Hughes comes foreward now and says something. For guys to comme foreward now and say they felt like GSP was greasy, they are lying. If that's what you felt, you should've filed a complaint then. I bet those peoples trainers are making them think GSP was greasy when he wasn't.
Now my understanding that it is very possible to get vaseline from the opposing fighters face, onto your hands, and onto the body. And more with the greasing. Several fans are coming foreward (who were at the fight) saying they saw GSP getting wiped down after Phil Nurse touched him. Even in the 1st to 2nd round (and it was caught in those rounds too). So there was no vaseline that could have been on him.
NSAC rules state that excessive amounts of vaseline or grease can not be used on the face or the body. Not that it can not be used. So for him to have a little vaseline on his body, is not a violation of the rules.
Holy crap. Matt Hughes sucks so much it is unbelieveable! GSP felt greasy? WTF? More like GSP punched you in the face repeatedly and you are complete crap. Give it up. Matt Who's?
This vaseline business is bullshit. Seriously people. Use some fucking common sense. GSP was not wiped off AT MOST for one round. And no extra vaseline was applied after his cornerman rubbed it on his face. How much could there possibly have been on his hands? How big is his back? Fuck people. Seriously.
See the irony in this. Rudy, BJ'S trainer, was rubbing GSP's back as GSP consoled a beaten BJ. You think he noticed grease? Hughes gets kicked in the face and admittedly didn't even know what hit him, but he can recall GSP being greasy? Serra, talked so much shit after the first, gets pummeled in the second, and then says, "You know, he did feel greasy?" He was actually thinking about grease with GSP digging those knees into his ribs?
This is an complete non-issue to me. Notice the people who are talking are the ones noone wants to see fight anyway? I like BJ, but he has no biz in there with WW.
Just want to comment on the above. BJ did complain between rounds. Now whether it was Vaseline, or because the dude was sweating we''' never know.
Even if bj says he was complaining, then who was he complaining too. He's not dumb, if it was such a big issue with his strategy, then he should've brought it forward during the match.
It must of not been an issue if he continued to fight, he had plenty of chances (4 rounds) to get the ref or someone else in there to inspect gsp.
Goes for the rest of the fighters who are hopping on the band wagon, now they all wanna play cry wolf, wow what some people will do to over jealousy and to tarnish ones career.
Also vasaline is unavoidable, if gsp had vasaline on his face, chest, and bj is trying to push him off, and happens to use open hand and get vasaline on his gloves/fingers from his hands rubbing back and forth over gsp's face/chest, then he goes to wrap his aroumds around gsp for guards or wahtever, and makes hand contact on gsp's back...what do you have, you have Penn smearing excess sweat/vasaline which he rubbed off his opponent...if inspected both would have some vasaline on them somewhere.
Its unavoidable to get vasaline on your body if both fighters use vasaline in between rounds for cuts and stuff. It would be totally different if there was a glob of vasaline on the gsp's cornerman and it was obvoius, but this is not the case.
I enhanced that gif photo and the amount he dabs to put on gsp's face was next to nothing, he rubbed all of the small amount into gsp's face, chin, neck...then from the front tarepezius muscles down his chest. I think if any of you's go and look at that .gif file that was posted you can clearly see this, without the enhancements i did to get a better view.
Anonymous is the classic pseudo keyboard warrior who never threw a punch in his life!
in the name of cheating.. GSV while scrambling to shoot in the first round was grabing penn's shorts. and BJ yelled for the reff to tell him to let go. I guess that was greg jacksons fault aswell. Look, in nascar if your team does something to your car to cheat.. eaveryone and the driver gets popped. GSV knew what he was doing. thats why they load his brow with a lot of vaseline, once he shoots in and is in penn gurad.. he hold his head on his cheat .. then rubs his brows clean. Rewatch the fight.. that was not him keeping his posture low, he was lubing to keep penn from locking him down. Greg jackson ultimate training DVD.. Vaseline your way to welterweight champinship status.
Jon you were right calling me a child and I thank you graciously for putting me ion my place!! I take back everything I said previously b/c of my weak mind and insecurity! Again you were right in your judgment of me.
lol, who is "GSV" ?
GSP was wiped down for the last two rounds and checked before the fight so the question is how much could have rubbed off on him, i say not enough to have changed the outcome of the fight, seems to me that the penn camp who talked so much trash needs to use any excuse they can and as for matt hughes who cares
Some idiot said that BJ's camp brought up the grease situation... It wasnt the camp YOU IDIOT!!!! It was an athletic commisioner... And yes GSP was wiped down after each round, but come one... They gently passed a towel over him... I don't care if it was a small amount of grease or alot... He was greased!!! Little amount or big amount thats illegal... He's a cheater!!! The first round was evened up... GSP's corner saw he coulkdn't take him down and decided to grease him up... CHEATING ASS CANADIAN BITCH!!!
I agree, even if it's a little grease, it makes a big difference when you're on the ground. I've never seen B.J Penn taken down so easily and not get back up.
For everyone sayig that its only the fighters that have lost to GSP that are complaining...good job geniuses! You caught em all. Oh wait, he's the champion, of course it's only going to be people he's beat because no one he's fought has ever NOT lost to him in a rematch. And it was Chuck Liddell that noticed the grease, and Keith Kiser and the NSAC can't really do much to GSP or his cornermen unless B.J.files an official complaint. Yes, BJs guys did say something but the vaseline had already been noticed and they were told it was taken care of. Yes, BJ got dominated, but JD said it was his game plan to go for submissions off his back. The vaseline that some of you GSP fans seem to think was such a small amount, only has to be a small amount to make a difference. And since you all seem to think it's not such a big deal..ask Dana White, and Lorenzo Fertitta, they both told Keith Kiser that Greg Jackson and Phil Nurse may never corner another UFC event after Last Saturday night. Cheating is cheating whether it affected the outcome or not. Barry Bonds used roids but the Giants still sucked.
I don't see many people pointing out the fact that GSP being wiped off actually gave BJ an advantage. Taking away your body sweat left GSP more vulnerable to BJ's submissions. I've looked at this fight almost 10 times. BJ was gassed after round one. Just like he gassed in round one the first fight. Like the first fight, he was taken down at will. GSP did a good job of posturing up. I see gifs of BJ raising his legs higher on GSP's back. But it's obvious that BJ was going for submissions. GSP is just too strong for BJ. He may have sick BJJ, but that can be neutralized when you can throw fists and elbows. Look at how easily GSP just got his legs out of BJ's guard to pass. Is anyone saying he was greased on his legs. He's a naturally, bigger and stronger fighter and really didn't deserve to get a title shot at GSP. Especially after losing to Matt Hughes in similar fashion. This guy is 1-3 in WW fights and 1-4 in fights against guys in higher weight classes. (forget he lost to Machida) He just doesn't show up for the big fights. He beat Matt Hughes and his legend grew. He's great against people his size, but this fight proves he should not be in the ring with bigger fighters. Oh yeah, vaseline is going to get everywhere anyway. I'm sure there was plenty of blood, sweat and vaseline mixed together when he fought Joe Stevenson.
honestly, even if GSP "greased" up, it was completely whiped out by the NSAC official with a towel. Even if there was some "grease", it being whiped off along with the sweat on GSP's back, having a dry back is alot better for grip from what I recall, so the advantage should have been to Penn. I don't honestly remember BJ trying for a take down, and GSP's back seemed a little too big for BJ to wrap around. As for Hughes, what does it matter what he thinks? He was dismantled both fights he lost, it wasn't about whether or not he could get a grip on GSP, its really really hard to grip someone when your knocked out Matt! Besides, you should be getting a grip on REALITY Matt!
WAR GSP! WAR!
I think he should fight hughes, penn, serra and sherk again just to prove it wasn't the grease. With or without the grease the results will be exactly the same.
Sera said GSP felt greasy during their first fight too? They were never in the clinch or in gaurd during a single second of that fight so how would he know? Both Hughes losses, the Serra loss, and now Penn's second loss...these are all utter dominations. Grease was not the factor here. As for the incident itself, he was rubing the CENTER of his back in tight circles. When you pull gaurd your legs are more on your opponents lats, not middle of his back. This had no effect on the fight. The athletic commision is on top of it. This just shows low class from all of those guys to try and discredit GSP's dominating wins over them.
I'll gaurentee Hughes, Sera, Sherk, and Penn...none of them will want a rematch. Sera is still pissing blood from their second fight, BJ's still in the hospital, Hughes got beat so bad that it carried over to his next fight where he got beat up by Alves. Even if a rematch was offered, all of these guys would be too scared to accept it.
After reading all of the above posts for and against this issue of greasing it was only near the end that someone started to mention sweat. I wrestled for many years and can attest that in the ring environment it can feel just like vaseline when trying to lock in a grapple. With reference to the Penn Vs. Stevenson fight, you see, even sweat/blood mixture didn't stop BJ from applying the final choke. Also, being the final fight on the card you would have to say that that mat must have been drenched with blood, sweat and vaseline. When a fighter is on his knees with someone trying to mount him from behind often puts his head directly on the mat(especially near the fence) where vaseline from face-rubs can be transferred.
The ground control shown by GSP was superior, period. You can't get a triangle choke to work if the guy is high in the guard, because (most) fighters have to wiggle their asses out to one side a bit to get their legs up and around the head of their opponent. Lastly, George did most of his best striking from side-mount and BJ laid there with one leg crossed to prevent a cross-over to full-mount and in this position show me how, any grease or sweat on an opponents back would benefit him. Only a face mask made of kevlar would have helped BJ. Just let it be what it was....Total Domination!
matt who lol....from the in-between-rounds coverage ive seen of the hughes-alves fight looks like matt got an extra grease rub on the shoulder too.
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