UFC president Dana White disagreed with the decision and offered an immediate rematch. Both fighters said they were open to facing each other again.
Here is the official scorecard from the fight:
Nelson Hamilton's Scorecard:
Cecil Peoples' Scorecard:
Marcos Rosales' Scorecard:
Marcos Rosales' Scorecard:
57 comments:
this sport needs new judges...
Unfortunately if these kinds of decisions continue to happen it won't matter what Dana White says or does, this will turn into boxing. It was clear to everyone that Shogun won, except the judges. Like Rogan said during the show the entire judging system needs to be re-buffed. It is truly unfortunate that this happened to a great fighter after a great fight. Kinda reminds me of Bisping and Matt Hamill, but worse because it was a title fight.
It was close enough that I can see justification for two of the cards. The real head scratcher is Hamilton for giving the fourth round to Machida. If there is one judge to target, it'd be that guy.
As far as I'm concerned, neither fighter did enough to win the fight. Rua did not impress enough, with nearly no aggressiveness at the ends of the rounds. Machida reverted back into his typical counter-striker role. But with Rua not striking hardly at all (outside of his leg kicks), Machida had nothing to counter. All in all, it was a disappointing end to a very disappointing card. Hopefully the rematch will be better.
Regardless of anything, it was a close fight. Yeah, Shogun had great kicks, but he didn't follow up with anything. He would kick the legs and body then back off. No cominations at all. You can't win the belt that way, no matter what the crowd thinks. Machida looked awful, with some rare moments of agressiveness. He stuffed a few takedowns, which looks huge, especially when there weren't any takedowns in the fight at all. Had Shogun followed up with more strikes after his kicks, and maybe scored a takedown, he'd be the champ.....NO DOUBT!
Here is how I thought the fight went down:
R1 - Shogun
R2 - Close, but I say Shogun
R3 - Machida
R4 - Shogun
R5 - Machida
ok two things for this
you may say shogun won this fight because he acctually hit machida more then anyone machida has ever fought pretty much that is the only reason people are saying that machida lost and second shogun won the fight but didnt do enough to take the championship
Anyone who gave Machida the second round is a blatant fool, when you consider Rua's 21 successful strikes compared to Machida's mere 7.
See fightmetric.com
It's not that Shogun hit Macida more then anyone else in the past. It's the fact that Shogun hit Machida more then Machida hit Shogun , by almost twice the amount. This fight stinks of a fix.
Here's the punch count totals http://fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html
You guys who are saying "you have to beat the champion" have to understand how much hurt Shogun was putting on Machida. I train in mma myself and I can tell you that when your legs are that badly bruised it hurts enough that it's all you can do to keep standing. I also wouldn't be surprised if Machida had a cracked rib from all those muay thai kicks to the side. Compare that to Shogun who barely looked like he got in a fight.
Machida clearly out pointed Shogun. Joe rogan was very biased when commentating and its Machida landed the better shots. I agree that people think Shogun won becuase their not used to Machida being in a tough fight but he definutly won. Leave it to the professionals guy and stop crying over this.
so says the 19 year old student who is a professional...
Yeah, Dana White and Joe Rogan are professionals too, guess who they think won?
im sick of dana's games!! already building up the "rematch". Money, Money, Money.....its not much, but he won't get another $50 from me!
I can hear Dana now....."keep it close boys and we'll clean up with the rematch!"
You win rounds by effective striking, grappling, aggression, and octagon control.
You have got to be an idiot to say that Shogun did not win this fight. Machida may have won round 3 but I'm not totally convinced. This could have easily been Shogun 5 rounds to 0. 4-1 at max.
For the BS that people are saying "you have to beat the champion", Forrest beat Rampage in the same fashion. There was not "beat the champ" crys then. Machida lost. Bottom Line.
Daddy has spoken.
"You win rounds by effective striking, grappling, aggression, and octagon control.
You have got to be an idiot to say that Shogun did not win this fight. Machida may have won round 3 but I'm not totally convinced. This could have easily been Shogun 5 rounds to 0. 4-1 at max.
For the BS that people are saying "you have to beat the champion", Forrest beat Rampage in the same fashion. There was not "beat the champ" crys then. Machida lost. Bottom Line."
Well said, I love machida but there is no way he won that fight. Shogun controlled the entire fight, and even going into the fifth round machidas corner was saying "you'll find your range you'll find your range" which he hadnt even though shogun was landing kick after kick including a jumping roundhouse body kick that landed hard, and machida has one flurry at the end of the third round and he wins the fight? Im not a shogun fan but towards the end of the fifth i was convinced we had a new champ, look at how they both acted after the fight before the decision...travesty, rematch will be great, awesome chess match
Rounds 1-3 were close but machida won them! Rounds 4 & 5 were all shogun! Everyone please watch the fight without Rogans commentary he was baised last night forsure! Machida would land a 5 hit combo with shogun landing 1 & he would Say "Shogun landed a right hand"
I really enjoyed the fight I thought shogun won but it was close I definatly want the rematch seriously that was to high level fighters going back and forth for 25 mins it was an awesome war look at both fighters bodies they were red as hell
shogun is the #1 light heavyweight in the world
I hate how people say shogun didnt do anything to win it.He just landed kicks and then backed off.Look at all of machidas fights before tito or silva thats how he won them all.
ok well I think it comes down to the fact that shogun shot on the dragon atleast 10 times and failed to take him down and i think that could have a role. i mean machida stuffed every single takedown attempt for 5 rounds... in a boring fight that is enough to win. in a close fight like that you look at shogun and say did he do enough to win the title. no he didnt
It was a great fight! I had it 4 rounds to 1 for Rua. One can't justify rounds 4 or 5 for Machida, and Rua clearly won round 1.
A title fight is scored the same as any other fight. The "you have to beat the champ" phrase is meaningless. With each round scored on its own in a "vacuum" the champ has no advantage. This is not WWE. Shogun landed more strikes, landed more damaging strikes, and actually went for takedowns. Shogun controlled the fight on the feet, controlled up against the cage and blocked nearly all of Machida's punches. Did Machida block Shogun's kicks? Outside the one flurry in the #rd what did Machida do?
I scored it:
Rd 1 10-10
Rd 2 Machida 10-9
Rd 3 10-10
Rd 4 Shogun 10-9
Rd 5 Shogun 10-9
Result Shogun 49-48
My name is Fedor Emelianenko and this is the reason why I think UFC sucks. They fix fights, bribe judges, rob fighters of both money and title, and throw rematches.
I saw the fight here in Russia and guess what? Shogun GOT ROBBED!
BTW, I can beat both of them...just to let you know.
Rogan's ultra Shogun-leaning commentary doesn't help when trying to watch a fight objectively.
Every time I saw Machita leap into Rua with a kick to the midsection, followed up with a snap left jab or hook (which seemed to land consistantly), all I heard from Rogan was, "Wow, Shogun kicks him again!", as Rua landed the counter-kick.
Granted, he landed a helluva lot of counter-kicks. But that was the difference (in my eyes) between this fight, and the Forest vs Rampage fight. Rampage did nothing but absorb punishment in that fight. Machita just didn't get any mention about what he was doing, because he was doing plenty - you just wouldn't know it listening to Rogan.
I like Joe Rogan (well, as a UFC colour commentator, anyway - he's probably the worst stand-up comedian I've ever seen perform), but he really lets his man-crushes get in the way of his objectivity sometimes.
Having said all that, I was as surprised as Herb Dean when Buffer read the vedict (did ya notice Herb's eyes... he nearly did a double-take to Buffer), cuz I thought Shogun had won on first viewing. But after the replays, I'm not convinced it was a bad decision afterall.
And at the end of the day, Dana's right - don't leave it to the judges, and ya don't have to worry about it.
Whoever posted this comment has no idea what he/she is talking about.
Rounds 1-3 were close but machida won them! Rounds 4 & 5 were all shogun! Everyone please watch the fight without Rogans commentary he was baised last night forsure! Machida would land a 5 hit combo with shogun landing 1 & he would Say "Shogun landed a right hand"
Rua did the most damage, was the most agressive, and whenever in clinch he controlled it. No doubt about it Shogun won. Machida got fucked up with rib kicks and leg kicks. Whenever Machida did through some decent-good punches, Rua did more damage with one hit than 7 of his. This goes down with Tito Ortiz Vs Forrest Griffin and Rampage Jackson Vs Forrest Griffin.
All this shit about don't leave it to the judges is fucking retarded. You shouldn't have to worry about it. Obviously, its something you do now a days. I hope they rematch in January or February and Shogun absolutely throttles his ass.
tice... you're a douche
This fight has no comparison to the Matt Hamill VS. Mike Shitsping fight. Matt Hamill destroyed Shitsping. Shogun did very well but in no way did he destroy Machida. When the fight was over I wasn't sure what the decision would be. I think if anything it should have been a draw. I now have a new respect for Shogun. I can understand why some feel that he won, I can also understand how the judges came to their decision. I am looking forward to the rematch and hopefully they won't leave it to the judges this time.
the stats are right here for everyone to see:
http://fightmetric.com/fights/Machida-Shogun.html
Pretty clear that Shogun won rounds 1, 4, 5, and 3 could have gone either way. Machida was outstruck by a margin of 2:1 and Shogun was throwing the harder shots, pushing forward more, and controlling the pace of the fight.
Doesn't matter if he didn't destroy him. He clearly beat him.
This is such a shame. I wonder why the judges went crazy with Forrest Griffin when he was throwing leg kicks at Rampage? It just doesn't make sense.
These guys are talking about "he didnt destroy him" and "you have to beat the champ", but thats not how it goes, theres 2 guys in the octagon and the better man wins and shogun was definitely the better man, close fight but shots thrown, octagon control, shots landed, and damage done all go to shogun
You cant win a fight on leg kicks machida hit rua 2-5 times for every 1 strike and if you wanna impliment leg kicks as your main offense use it till the later rounds and try to finish dont try to outpoint a karate champion.
Submissionartist
True. watch the fight again.. shogun did kick him a shit load of times but didnt follow up on any of them. when shogun would kick machida, machida would strike right back with a nasty jab. Machida had him up against the fence a couple of times throwing nasty blows. shogun tried taking machida down plenty of times but failed. machida also threw a couple nasty knees when shogun went for the takedown. plus the whole fight rogan was sucking shoguns dick. never complimenting machida on his quik combos that were landing but if shogun landed a kick rogan wasnt quik enough to say how he landed that nice body shot. just sayin... it was a close fight and it probly wasnt unanamous but a split decision but still machida had it won. i would like to see Anderson Silva vs. Shogun!
Hmmm...Could we get some younger judges? I don't know, maybe with fresher eyesight? You think that might help?
While when I first heard the decision, I was taken aback, I reflected on it without minding Rogan's biased commentary...and agreed with the two judges that scored it 1,2,3 to machida. After the first round the commentators were wavering on who won it, but as the fight progressed they convinced themselves, and therefore the listeners, the Rua was winning-- which was doubtful. I disagree with round 4 going to Machida, that was weird from the other judge...
Also, Rua kicked, but never really posed danger to Machida, never following up on anything. If I had the choice of draw, I would have picked draw, but based on rounds, its a tentative Machida win. He landed the clearer and more penetrating strikes, even if they were less in numbers. Once again,p Rogan's commentating did well to have the viewers not realize it, only referencing Shogun's hits.
I'm hoping to see a rematch, or maybe an Anderson Silva vs Rua one
shogun got robbed he clearly won the 1st 2nd 4th & 5th rd in the first 2rd rua had just about 11 strikes compared to machidas 12 rua had 25 leg kicks machida had about 10 rua had 23 knees machida 9 rua had 3 take down attempts machida had none shogun had 1 elbow & machida had none, now these numbers arent perfect but they are pretty damn close rua clearly won rd 4th & 5th and you cannot tell me he didn't win the 1st & 2nd rua got robbed he'll come back & finish him off this time.
Are there any ways that this ruling could be over turned by sending messages to those who judged Machida vs. Shogun?
Do they really know how to judge an MMA fight and capable of doing it?
This ruling has to change regarding close call fights.Make a video review before final judging and let Dana White and the UFC officials get involved like the NFL reviews before they come up with a final decision on who wins the match.
Hey Fedor You suck.No Stay in Russia. You fight ducking loser.M-1 is the dirtiest company in all of MMA. It makes no sence to fix a fight. That makes people not watch MMA. The CSAC made the UFC and MMA look bad. You really think that sell more tickets you Dumb@#$.The UFC would like to kill somebody over this because it set back the sport making them lose money. How about think before you speak and show everyone your a moron. moron
Personally I thought the first three rounds were up in the air, the 4th round was slightly Shogun's and the 5th was clearly for Shogun. I was surprised by the verdict but hardly shocked. I was expecting a draw to be announced. If the fight was decided by who hurt who more, than the fight goes to Shogun. However this is still a sport and that is why on a round by round point system Machida got the nod .Both fighters performed well in my opinion, because this fight was a real chess match. I think only the rematch will settle any raw feelings about this. But I would hardly say anyone was a clear cut winner.
Get over it!! Lyoto was the champ when he step in that octagon (still a champ now). No doubt shogun did much better than most or all of Lyoto opponent faced before. It's funny how people reacted so strongly about it. First you the fan writing hate comment and it seem to me those are the people who used to said all these good things about Lyoto, because he seems invincible against his past opponents. Now you finally realized that he's just a human being like the rest of us; but with a incridible talent at figting then most of you, so does Shogun, Liddell (these are the same fans rooting for Liddell when he defeated Tito &!Randy, now critizes the man for being washed up and ect.). You should credit Shogun not discrediting Lyoto. I personally saw the fight differently than most of you angry fans out there. In every sport the judges always have the tendency to giventhe champ a lil edge; which makes sense. It took so much works, sacrifices, talents to get to where Lyoto is at today. Not taken a credits away from Shogun especially after what we've seen hebfought Lyoto. Although all he brought to the table was leg kicks, about the kicks to the midsections that he landed, it's surprising that no one mention the fact that Lyoto landed some pretty good knees on Shogun midsection too. Shogun built his career upon being the aggressive fighter, although he was the more aggressive one that night but he was as nearly as he was when he fought other fighters. There are also some comments Were made about Machida run away? That hillarious!!! All Shogun didnfor the entire 1st to 4th round was trying take machida down (unsuccessfully). Landed some clean hard kicks to the legs of machida. But everytime Shogun does that Machida countered with punches, and landed kicks of his own. I gave Machida the 1st three rounds, even. Shogun admits that he lost the firstvround. Thought he won the last 3. But obviously machida won the 3rd round. Now since Dana White & both Machida & Shogun had verbal immidiate rematch agreement. First it was too closed of a fight to call; when you're up against the champ. So as a fan, this is a huge bonus to get to see these 2 incredible fighters going at it again. I loved their 1st match; I hope and pretty sure I'll be better the 2nd time around. It's a win win situation for everyone. First for the fans, then Shogun & his Fans. It'll be his opportunity to prove once and for all he's a better fighter. Maybe going for the K.O. Bcause no body wanna hear but this n but that especially comin from an agrressive fighte like shogun. 'inthought i've won so why takenrisk?' on machida's side he also have something to prove too, specially wiyh all the harsh critics. The man deserves better than that. I'm prttybsute he's notbhappy either. So stop crying over it already. It seems like machida has became from being the champ to the # 1 mma fans public enermy. It's bad for the sport of mma as well. So shogun u did a great job. But you gotta bet the champ to become one like Josh Thompson said. Obviously was good enough well at least in my eyes and others thAT didn't get to express their opinons. Thanks to the media.
Excuse my typos , grammars. The last few lines I meant to write that Sorry Shogun, I did better much better than michida past opponents. But with those leg kicks . Not enough. I browse throu some other cments & some one said he understands the reason why ppl think that shogun won bcc they have never seen Lyoto in a hard fight like that ppl. I also like to add jst a lil more, they hyped him up so much that makes it even harder on him. Rogen is a bias unfunny (won't find this word on the English dict.) standup comic. He lead the casual fans toward his way shogun nuthugger way. It sucks that Machida is going thru this mess. The world have gone mad. Ppl keep saying so much sh!ts about machida. Shogun got robbed he didn't have much of anything in the firstvplace. Cmon ppl. Really. Even if machida really losses that fight that's not how u treat another man.
that was so much bull shit.
this is starting to be wwe crap.
maybe i will watch strikeforce NO WWE crap
shogun KICK HIS RIB IN......
they knew who they wanted to win.
that show you that the boy is not that great.......
There is no way machida won that fight. He didnt press the action in any of the rounds rua twice as many strikes and the only time machida did push some action he got clocked. i will give machida this he is the master at staying out of danger. If he would have opened up a little bit rua would have knocked him out! It should be rua vs. silva for the belt but the judges wouldnt let it happen.
Machida won so people need to stop over analyzing this fight cuz you're not the expert.. people do not understand his fighting style and of course they boo @ what they don't understand...its so dumb how people get so emotional over this..
Herb Dean should have deducted a point from Machida every round he ran away: Check the rule book #29: Timidity. If Dean takes 3 points off it would reflect the actual outcome that fight deserved. You can't run away and call it "counter punching".
if you dont listen to the commentary, you also dont get to hear the snap on those kicks. Shoguns were landing and landing hard. i remember only one or two hard punches that machida landed. Yeah he landed knees. But shogun was landing kicks all night long, and they were doing damage too. If you rewatch one of the flurries in round 3 that was from machida, there was about 3 misses and 2 glancing punches. nothing landed solid. Shogun was NEVER in danger. If he had been hit in the face as much as machida got kicked, he would AT LEAST have a black eye or something to show for it. His face wasnt even scratched. Guess machida gets to back up and jab his way to a legacy from now on.
Machida should have got points deducted for running away. ? Shogun fought like a lil bitch, and he known for being an aggressive fighter. He kick than ran from away from machida punches, that's why he did the whole entire fight. Terrible take down attempts, joe asshole rogan never give machida credit for thos take down defense in which you usually do with other fighter. Ppl are really fucken up this awsome sport. Sad sad thing, never expect bias frm an UFC personel/commentator. Psp. Ppl who don't understand machida fighting Style or haters stop being a crying lil bitches about it. The other guy will get his immidiate rematch to prove himself; that's he's more than just a leg kicker, and he willing to use all his mms tools. Perhaps he'll understand that it'll take more than just leg kick as his only tool to dethrone a champ. This fight reminds me of the Chuck Liddell vs (Keith Jardine)the guy just got KO by one of madida victim Thiago Silva. All jardine did was trying to land low kicks. Chuck Liddell should have WON thAt fight!!!!!!
wow that last guy has no idea what he is talking about. Shogun fought like a bitch? really? He initiated all the action. yeah machida is a counter striker but took a lot more hits than came back with. he also took a lot more damage than dealt. Machida did do a good job defending takedowns but that is about it. Whenever he did attack, rua would hit him once and machida stopped the attack. Shogun pushed the action a lot more than Machida did too. if you sit down and figure it out, rua had octogan control, did more damage and out striked machida. Grappling was bout even. Very few mma fans and those bias judges are the only people who think machida won. You know machida didnt comment when asked if he thought he won or not. There's a reason why dana white is doing an immediate rematch.
And before anyone says im bias, i will say i am a rua fan but im also a machida fan. i thought his knockout of thiago silva was fucking awsome and he surprised the hell out of me when he KO'd Evans. He is a good fighter and it won't surprise me if he wins a rematch but he will have to come in with a different gameplan cause if he doesn't hopefully rua will get his win.
@Submissionartist:
"You cant win a fight on leg kicks machida hit rua 2-5 times for every 1 strike and if you wanna impliment leg kicks as your main offense use it till the later rounds and try to finish dont try to outpoint a karate champion."
What are you talking about? Of course your can win a fight on leg kicks. I've even seen four or five [T]KOs from leg-kicks alone over the years. A leg kick is a STRIKE. You win by having more effective STRIKING, AGRESSION and OCTAGON CONTROL. Shogun had all of those.
Machida spent the entire fight either walking backward (that's alright, not great, but alright) or actually *turning around and running away*! It was unbelievable to see the decision to to the person who had spent half the fight literally running away from his opponent, landing far fewer strikes, doing far less damage, and pushing the pace way less. He lost on every relevant metric there is.
And go look at the FightMetric.com stats on the fight if you think for even a moment that Shogun lost. He hit Machida twice as often, and with a higher percentage of power shots. Period.
Worst judging atrocity I've seen in sixteen years of MMA, bar none.
@Submissionartist:
"You cant win a fight on leg kicks machida hit rua 2-5 times for every 1 strike and if you wanna impliment leg kicks as your main offense use it till the later rounds and try to finish dont try to outpoint a karate champion."
What are you talking about? Of course your can win a fight on leg kicks. I've even seen four or five [T]KOs from leg-kicks alone over the years. A leg kick is a STRIKE. You win by having more effective STRIKING, AGRESSION and OCTAGON CONTROL. Shogun had all of those.
Machida spent the entire fight either walking backward (that's alright, not great, but alright) or actually *turning around and running away*! It was unbelievable to see the decision to to the person who had spent half the fight literally running away from his opponent, landing far fewer strikes, doing far less damage, and pushing the pace way less. He lost on every relevant metric there is.
And go look at the FightMetric.com stats on the fight if you think for even a moment that Shogun lost. He hit Machida twice as often, and with a higher percentage of power shots. Period.
Worst judging atrocity I've seen in sixteen years of MMA, bar none.
@Submissionartist:
"You cant win a fight on leg kicks machida hit rua 2-5 times for every 1 strike and if you wanna impliment leg kicks as your main offense use it till the later rounds and try to finish dont try to outpoint a karate champion."
What are you talking about? Of course your can win a fight on leg kicks. I've even seen four or five [T]KOs from leg-kicks alone over the years. A leg kick is a STRIKE. You win by having more effective STRIKING, AGRESSION and OCTAGON CONTROL. Shogun had all of those.
Machida spent the entire fight either walking backward (that's alright, not great, but alright) or actually *turning around and running away*! It was unbelievable to see the decision to to the person who had spent half the fight literally running away from his opponent, landing far fewer strikes, doing far less damage, and pushing the pace way less. He lost on every relevant metric there is.
And go look at the FightMetric.com stats on the fight if you think for even a moment that Shogun lost. He hit Machida twice as often, and with a higher percentage of power shots. Period.
Worst judging atrocity I've seen in sixteen years of MMA, bar none.
@Submissionartist:
"You cant win a fight on leg kicks machida hit rua 2-5 times for every 1 strike and if you wanna impliment leg kicks as your main offense use it till the later rounds and try to finish dont try to outpoint a karate champion."
What are you talking about? Of course your can win a fight on leg kicks. I've even seen four or five [T]KOs from leg-kicks alone over the years. A leg kick is a STRIKE. You win by having more effective STRIKING, AGRESSION and OCTAGON CONTROL. Shogun had all of those.
Machida spent the entire fight either walking backward (that's alright, not great, but alright) or actually *turning around and running away*! It was unbelievable to see the decision to to the person who had spent half the fight literally running away from his opponent, landing far fewer strikes, doing far less damage, and pushing the pace way less. He lost on every relevant metric there is.
And go look at the FightMetric.com stats on the fight if you think for even a moment that Shogun lost. He hit Machida twice as often, and with a higher percentage of power shots. Period.
Worst judging atrocity I've seen in sixteen years of MMA, bar none.
For those people that say Machida landed the cleaner strikes, if you watch carefully, Shogun slips and parrys almost all of the punches Machida throws. Also, if he landed clean strikes, WHERE? Shogun didn't have a single mark on him.
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